Aaron deMello (aaron@demonsys.com)
Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:45:48 -0500
I'll tell you this: I've SEEN screenshots of Rhapsody pre-DR1 (it was in
fact the first screen shots I'd ever seen) booting off of a Shiner box. It
even said so in the bootup script.
d.
> I _did_ hear a rumor from inside apple that one of the Rhapsody internal
> apple releases was coaxed into running on an ANS. Any truth in that?
>
> Quoting Kevyn Shortell (kevyn@apple.com):
>> I know the 9500's rom won't work in a Shiner, the device tree
>> is not the same.
>>
>> There are subtle differances that would require software changes to
>> work, such a ethernet driver, and scsi driver, but since it's not possible
>> to build your own rom, it's not likely to happen anytime soon =P
>>
>> I've been seeing this thread for over a year now, you still only
>> have the choice of AIX, or Linux.
>>
>> Kevyn
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>> Kevyn Shortell Developer Technical Support
>> Mac OS/UNIX Systems Engineer Apple Computer, Inc
>> kevyn@apple.com http://developer.apple.com/games
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At 12:02 PM -0800 12/8/98, Dave Beck wrote:
>> >Apple stands corrected ;)
>> >I've never been privy to a 9500. Can you comment on the ROMs?
>> >
>> >Quoting Kevyn Shortell (kevyn@apple.com):
>> >>
>> >> The ANS's CPU card will NOT work in a 9500. They are not pin compatable,
>> >> if you compare a 9500's CPU card,to the ANS's CPU card, the card
>> connector
>> >> is noticably larger =)
>> >>
>> >> Kevyn
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> At 10:38 AM -0800 12/8/98, Aaron deMello wrote:
>> >> >Indeed, the ROMs are on the motherboard and not the CPU... That is
>> >>precidely
>> >> >the problem ;) If the ROMs swapped with the CPU card we might be able
>> >>to run
>> >> >a REAL os easily on these beasts ;)
>> >> >
>> >> >In fact, I have been told by apple that the ANS CPU Card will work in a
>> >>9500
>> >> >but that doesn't mean that the ANS ROMs will support _other_ CPU
>> Cards than
>> >> >those made specifically for it. That is, there may be certain CPU
>> handling
>> >> >information in the ROMs that would be non-functional or downright goofy
>> >>with
>> >> >a G3 or other upgrade. Someone, if they were so inclined to waste some
>> >>time
>> >> >could possibly try pestering Apple.
>> >> >
>> >> >Quoting Aaron deMello (aaron@demonsys.com):
>> >> >> right, but aren't the ROMs on the motherboard and not on the CPU card?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> i believe that the ANS card is the same kind of card that is used for
>> >>most
>> >> >> 8500/9500 upgrades (e.g. daystar, powerlogic, etc.)
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > We have been talking about trying this out here at the DUsers.
>> >>There is
>> >> >> > no question in my mind that if the ROMs supported it, it would
>> >>work. Of
>> >> >> > course, there is the little (HA!) issue of those totally
>> >>bastardized ROMs.
>> >> >> > What you would be looking for if you were going to try one would
>> be one
>> >> >> that
>> >> >> > works in the 9500 (the box that can reportedly run AIX / the box
>> whose
>> >> >>ROMs
>> >> >> > in a 500 (700?) will reportedly run MacOS). Just make sure that the
>> >> >> retailer
>> >> >> > will accept the card back. ;)
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Quoting Aaron deMello (aaron@demonsys.com):
>> >> >> >> Has anyone tried upgrading the CPU card in the ANS to something
>> other
>> >> >>than
>> >> >> >> the regular Apple ANS CPU cards? e.g. a G3? a 250mhz 604e card?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I'm just curious.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> d.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> ---
>> >> >> >> Aaron deMello - President aaron@demonsys.com
>> >> >> >> Demon Systems, Inc. http://www.demonsys.com
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>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > --
>> >> >> > Dave Beck
>> >> >> > dave@arginine.umdnj.edu Sites of interest (set 2):
>> >> >> > Computer Science and Biology
>> >> >>http://www.cyc.com/cyc-2-1/toc.html
>> >> >> > Drexel University, Philadelphia PA http://arginine.umdnj.edu/
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ---
>> >> >> Aaron deMello - President aaron@demonsys.com
>> >> >> Demon Systems, Inc. http://www.demonsys.com
>> >> >> 20 St. Paul St. East, Suite 3 Phone: (514) 875-7475
>> >> >> Montreal, Quebec H2Y 1G3 Fax: (514) 875-7472
>> >> >
>> >> >--
>> >> >Dave Beck
>> >> >dave@arginine.umdnj.edu Sites of interest (set 2):
>> >> >Computer Science and Biology
>> http://www.cyc.com/cyc-2-1/toc.html
>> >> >Drexel University, Philadelphia PA http://arginine.umdnj.edu/
>> >> >
>> >> >---
>> >> >Aaron deMello - President aaron@demonsys.com
>> >> >Demon Systems, Inc. http://www.demonsys.com
>> >> >20 St. Paul St. East, Suite 3 Phone: (514) 875-7475
>> >> >Montreal, Quebec H2Y 1G3 Fax: (514) 875-7472
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >--
>> >Dave Beck
>> >dave@arginine.umdnj.edu Sites of interest (set 2):
>> >Computer Science and Biology http://www.cyc.com/cyc-2-1/toc.html
>> >Drexel University, Philadelphia PA http://arginine.umdnj.edu/
>>
>>
>
> --
> Dave Beck
> dave@arginine.umdnj.edu Sites of interest (set 2):
> Computer Science and Biology http://www.cyc.com/cyc-2-1/toc.html
> Drexel University, Philadelphia PA http://arginine.umdnj.edu/
--- Aaron deMello - President aaron@demonsys.com Demon Systems, Inc. http://www.demonsys.com 20 St. Paul St. East, Suite 3 Phone: (514) 875-7475 Montreal, Quebec H2Y 1G3 Fax: (514) 875-7472
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